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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:28 pm 
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Not to pick on McCains (since overall we've found their labelling to be very good), but I was looking at the label for their Deep & Delicious Cake tonight, allergy info said 'Contains Wheat, Egg, Milk, May Contain Soy'.

But when I went to the website to find out about PN/TN, this is in the FAQ

"Q: Do McCain desserts contain any peanuts or tree nuts?
A: We do not manufacture retail desserts that contain ingredients sourced from tree nuts or peanuts, nor are these ingredients brought onto our production floors although our plants and co manufacturing plants do not carry the title of being NUT FREE."

So, if they are not nut free, should they carry a may contain? I am very confused by this. I don't believe it is safe, though generally if a company labels for May Contains, and does not list PN/TN, I do trust the ingredients. :scratchy :dungetit

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:05 pm 
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We do not manufacture retail desserts that contain ingredients sourced from tree nuts or peanuts, nor are these ingredients brought onto our production floors although our plants and co manufacturing plants do not carry the title of being NUT FREE.
Does this mean:
1. They manufacter wholesale or institution desserts that contain nuts?
2. These ingredients may be brought into their facility but not onto production floors (employee's lunches)?
3. While they do not use peanut/tree nuts as ingredients, they seem to employ some nuts and/or pay their employees peanupeanuts.

Not very clear indeed!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:22 am 
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I think it implies that the ingredients coming into the plant may not be 'nut free' (think of cocoa that has a may contain due to shared equipment)...????

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:42 am 
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We don't buy McCain products so I have never called them to find out the nitty gritty details of their labelling procedures.

It could be like Allan, where a particular facility is nut-free, and all ingredients are nut-free (no traces), but the facility it isn't certified nut-free for one reason or another. I am not even sure if a certification exists for nut-free facilities.

I think you have to call and find out more details. Could the ingredients have may contain warnings? Hard to tell from that email.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:12 am 
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One company that I talked with a few years ago told me that employees were not allowed to bring tree nuts or peanuts in their lunches and that they had to change clothes to work on the plant floor.

In addition to checking the ingredients origins, I think a company would also be strict with employees, like the one above, to call themselves "Nut and peanut free".

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:23 am 
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I know our local PN/TN-free bakery requires its employees to bring PN/TN-free lunches to work to maintain their quality control.

However, another company we frequently buy from does not regulate employee lunches but requires employees to wash hands and wear gowns and gloves when entering the part of the facility where the food is made. We're okay with that, but they cannot certify their facility as PN/TN-free because of the employee lunches. So it's all in the matter of details and finding out how the facility is run.

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