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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:21 pm 
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Has anyone found that a so-called 'detox' diet, especially a fruit and vegetable diet has reversed some food sensitivities? Most detox diets, I see as dangerous and not healthy at all and only a 'fad'. My doctor and I both agree that mustard family allergy won't be reversed. However, a lily family sensitivity, I would love to reverse in some fashion, and was wondering if anyone has had any success with a particular 'detox' diet reversing some or any food sensitivities?

Most medical doctors who are not homopathetic are very anti-detox diets. I've yet to find a homopathic doctor that wasn't biased towards detox diet. This is why I am asking here, as I hope to get real experiences, instead of biased opinions based on medical myths. Thanks!
ps. I will consider all posts as just your unique experiences and not medical advice. 8)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:48 pm 
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I think that you can be in a heightened state of reaction if you are in contact with several allergens, especially over a long period of time. For this, detox diets (as well as modifications to environment) might not be a bad idea but, given an already restricted diet, I would be hesitant to restrict it even more as your nutrition may become compromised.

Reversing sensativities is a relatively new field. I would not try anything at home.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:14 am 
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I agree with you FULLY! My restrictive diet was the number one reason why I was so afraid to try one. However, when I see my doctor, hopefully, later this month, I'll have him help me design a sort of 'detox' that might work. I won't buy a detox product as I don't trust any of them to be 'safe' for me, let alone for anyone else. Colloidal silver I refuse to put in my body. :freak Its in some detox programs. I'd be only doing a fruit and vegetable fast, using all the fruits and vegies I can eat, and adding protein powder to the shake.

I'll have to talk to him about detox and gluten damage. Some people thing that a detox will at least help my body 'start over' after getting rid of the 'gluten' toxins and damage from that. However, they truthfully say it won't 'cure' Celiac disease. I wonder why they think that a 'detox' might 'cure' my intolerances and sensitivities? Sure, I'd LOVE for it to work, but I'm not holding my breath. :rofl

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:36 am 
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Hi AV,

I used to work in a health food store and my boss at the time was not only a homeopath but he had been and still is a licensed pharmacist for over 30 years so he was the best person to ask for health advice because he often knew about both "worlds." He was also actively involved in research.

From my experience and from what I learnt from him, you should know that "detox diets" covers such a huge range of options. While they can be beneficial if done properly, you always, always, always have to consider someone's medical history first. I agree 100% with Susan: if you are already on a restrictive diet, restricting yourself even more may not be the best option because you may lose out on key nutrients and/or just a good balanced diet.

FYI, colloidal silver isn't really the best detox option so forget about detox programs you've seen with it. What it's really best for is its anti-bacterial properties. Actually, it's used topically more often than it is internally and I don't see it as being useful for a detox unless you specifcally have some sort of infection.


Detox is usually designed to give the liver a break, if you will, since it is often over-taxed by the type of foods we eat. I'm guessing, however, that you don't eat too much processed foods?

Anyways, do you have a natural health practioner? It can help to get some advice there based on your specific history and then, armed with that information, talk to your doctor and see what he/she advises.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:34 am 
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Thanks for all the information! The people in my Transitional Life Skills group are of the belief that sensitiviites and intolerances can be "Cured" with a detox. I disagreed, but agreed to compromise and say that the onion sensitivity might go away. I only agreed that far because Onion sensitivity appears to be related to the IBS, and is very unlikely to ever become a full blown allergy, because it would have by now if it was going to. Anything labeled as having "spice" is an onion in most cases and was impossible to avoid until I found out Aldi's carries a spice free, GF tomato sauce, which I now use exclusively. :D Colloidal silver I won't ever use as I wouldn't dare. We've not really hashed out why I have infections that don't go away when I keep using topical antibiotics. And as far as internal antibiotics, we've found 1 that works, or appears to work without issues. If I clean the area well, it won't get infected.

I do avoid ALL processed foods. Its impossible to get a processed food that is safe. :rofl Yes I laugh at all my food restrictions because it keeps me accepting them, and helps me stay not afraid of them.

To everyone:
:huggy :thanksign

ps. I think I should really try to get a Allergen specialist to address the group next year to discuss detox diets and myths. They aren't going to believe me anyways.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:04 pm 
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Maybe they meant rotation diets?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:03 pm 
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_Susan_ wrote:
Maybe they meant rotation diets?


No, they meant Detox. It's all apart of this myth that Detox diet cures diseases. I'm only apart of the group initially because their low-glycemic diet, actually helped me stay GF so I don't opt for the "I don't care if I get anemic I'll just take more vitamins" route, as that would still be very foolish. :roll: I'm now accepting of GF, so that helps. I only started accepting it in the last 2 weeks.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:53 am 
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I'm sure this group is helpful in coping with some aspects of your life however, when they cross the line into counselling on subjects they are not expert in, they can do damage.

You'll have to decide if you can filter the good from the bad. Maybe bringing in an expert is not a bad idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:12 pm 
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Try to find a registered dietician ( NOT someone just claiming to be a nutritionist ... BIG difference) who specializes in intolerances. In our area, this gal is the go-to for IBS / intolerances. Here's an article she wrote about detox that was picked up by several major dailies.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national ... 9053a54baf

Sorry it isn't catchy or controversial, but it is the most common-sense advice I've seen on the subject. She does recommend a type of rotation diet I guess - I attended her lecture on IBS, and she indicated that milk, wheat and corn were difficult for the body to digest - so rotating each of them out of your diet for a period of a few weeks before slowly re-introducing them would allow the bowel some rest. She covered off how to replace each of these things nutritionally for the time that they were not being eaten. Her experience indicated that this type of diet needs to be followed about once a year for those with IBS.

Not the same thing, I know, but in a way, eliminating those 3 foods were a type of "detox" for the bowel. Colloidal silver should be avoided at ALL costs, and I know you are avoiding the boxed detox sets, but all those really are are laxatives. Herbal, yes, but still laxatives. Anyone feels better after a blast using those! :D For the record, I am also a pharmacist, also worked in research.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:19 am 
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Thanks for the info! I'm very seriously considering dropping the Transitions Life Group because of the Pro-Detox and all these Herbs cure this that and the other thing. I only joined the group do get help in staying GF and being Okay with GF, as at first, I was very angry for having to go GF. I'm fine with it now. :D

I see Dr. Gryte on Wednesday, and will be discussing with him, Epi, "Detox", and so on. I may ask him to help me work out a non-detox diet, that instead helps me get more vitamins and minerals in me as its sole purpose, but without a detox purpose, to help reverse the Gluten damage which I know I have. Getting better at not eating gluten.

As far as Rotation Diet: I'm trying to work out a rotation diet with the foods I can eat so that I don't any one of them too much. I'm already DF, GF, but don't have corn very often because it doesn't microwave very well. I do get whatever 'corn derivatives' just happen to be in my food only because I can't afford Organic yet. Thats my next goal.

:huggy :thanksign To everyone! I've made my decision and I feel very good about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:35 am 
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Find a dietician (Canada):
http://ww2.dietitians.ca/publicservices ... itian.aspx

Find a dietician USA:
http://www.eatright.org/programs/rdfinder/

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Thanks for the links! I did check them out and found them very useful.
I talked with my Doctor, and he doesn't recommend a detox either. And, I'm quitting the group (transitional life styles group). With what I know about nutrition, I just couldn't see it working. And the only people who say it 'works' are those who are pro-homeopathic and are not dealing with true allergies. I do know that some people with Celiac disease, thought that detox was working and that they were tolerating wheat better, but they had to repeat the detox every 3 weeks or so. This is NOT a cure! I'm sure a biopsy on their intestine would have proven damage from such a fallacy of eating gluten and detoxing. And, unless they are eating 2X the recommended daily allowance in protein, their hair may stop growing, due to mal-absorption.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:36 pm 
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Glad to hear that you've got some solid information and are taking charge of your life!

I don't know anything about transitional life skills but it's hard giving up a support group. Do you have other supports? Is there an allergy group in your area?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:12 pm 
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The GF group is out of St. Louis Park and has not responded to any of my emails. However, it is most likely NOT their fault. I'm sure that my email is being counted as spam. I've not tried emailing them yet from my business account, which does not have 2 periods in the name. :rofl

The group I quit, basically was just a support group for low-glycemic eating to lose weight. I used them for gluten free support because their test they do on you, proves if you've 'cheated' or not and had gluten. Basically, if your measurements, weight and test from this machine that sends signal thru your body to see how long it takes to get back (fat analysis thing) - if those numbers aren't right, then it proves you ate gluten. It helped me go GF and be accepting of it. What I really need to find, is a Allergy Support group in my area and not just a GF one. I'm going to go to FAAN and see what they have for my area.
:banana Can't eat him, so I'll enjoy watching him dance. :rofl

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:45 am 
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FAAN should be able to point you in the right direction. You might also inquire at your allergists office. My local support group is in contact with the local allergists and is recommended by the allergists as resource for the newly diagnosed.

Have you tried this link?
http://www.foodallergysupportmn.org/res ... tions.html

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