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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:13 pm 
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ethansmom wrote:
Anyone with peanut allergy knows that they must also avoid all tree nuts due to cross-contam.


Actually, there are a lot of people that are allergic to peanuts that do eat nuts - and eat may contain nuts if it clearly states *peanut free*.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:29 pm 
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Yes AnnaMarie you're right -- I guess if you're not tree nut allergic, and you're able to verify that a product is tested for "peanut-free" status and not just "free of peanut" -- cross contam. with nuts wouldn't be an issue. I think with "store brands" like MasterChoice and Equality you have to be extra careful because they don't produce their own product and info. is given second hand (I wasn't 100% confident in the info. I was being given based on the rep's "unsure attitude"). Personally, I would be more confident in dealing with the manufacturer of the "peanut-free" product directly (which you're not able to do with "store brands")


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:31 pm 
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I'm with you on the store brands.

And actually, I still avoid all nuts. But, I do know some adults that are pa only that eat nuts.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:41 pm 
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(Quote brought over from the locked thread / same topic...)
AnnaMarie wrote:
ethansmom, why do you say it's not possible to test for nut protein? I think the problem might be that there are so many nuts, and each would have to be tested individually?

I understood that currently the only tests available to guarantee the presence or absence of nuts was for peanut and almond -- ? Does anyone else know if this is accurate -- please correct me if I'm wrong. If I understand correctly, manufacturers can't guarantee "nut free" because the tests don't exist for the other tree nuts (outside of almond) so testing of raw materials can't take place -- but -- they can still declare that they are "free of tree nuts" as there aren't any tree nuts on the premises. There really needs to be some "rules" for manufacturers when using the terminology "peanut / nut free" -- currently, I think they can use it whether or not they do testing (which in my eyes, shouldn't be.)


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:15 am 
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Karen also said that (in the other thread). It's the first I've heard of this, and it sounded odd - but apparently you are correct.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:02 am 
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Here is the email I sent to the link that ethansmom provided and A&P's reply:

Hi, I would just like to mention that as the mother of a daughter with peanut allergies, I would not buy your peanut free ice cream, because it is not nut free. Anybody with a peanut allergy knows that you should never eat anything that contains or main contain nuts, as nuts are generally processed in the same plants as peanuts, and therefore cross-contaminated! Furthermore, a large percentage of people who are allergic to peanuts are also allergic to most tree nuts. Therefore your ice cream is not safe for those people. I think you should bring back the Chapman brand, as it is the only truly peanut/nut free ice cream that peanut/nut allergic people can eat. Thank you for reading my comments

Thank you for your email.
By December 2006, we will have a complete line of peanut-free and nut-free ice cream products available. We do believe that we will provide our Customers with the products that will meet their health and lifestyle requirements. The guidelines for certifying the plants that are producing peanut-free and nut-free products are stringent and extensive. The facility that our products are produced in are currently undergoing the process to ensure that there are absolutely no peanuts or nuts within the plant or in any raw material.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. We are truly sorry that there has been an interruption of your enjoyment of ice cream purchased from our stores.

I have passed your comments along to our Merchandising Department for their review.

Kindest regards,


Natalie Saldov
A&P Customer Care Specialist
1-877-763-7374


Reading my email back, I now think it sounds a bit blunt! :oops: However, reading the reply, I would definitely wait until the packaging certifies that the ice cream is now peanut/nut free. In any case, I am kind of brand loyal to Chapman's now...


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:39 am 
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Nicole, thank you for posting that. I don't think it was there original plan - I, and others, were originally told they were *considering* going nut free. I guess we have made a difference by contacting them. :)

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:07 pm 
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I understood that currently the only tests available to guarantee the presence or absence of nuts was for peanut and almond -- ? Does anyone else know if this is accurate -- please correct me if I'm wrong. If I understand correctly, manufacturers can't guarantee "nut free" because the tests don't exist for the other tree nuts (outside of almond)...


1. I have just learned (from a presentation that I'm editing) that there are ELISA Allergen Detection Kits for the following foods: Peanuts, Almonds, Egg, Casein, Whey, Soy flour, Gluten (>20 ppm), Hazelnut, Sesame seed.

So that's what can be tested for in food production, as far as I know. Unless there are other tests.... (still more for me to find out!)

I also learned that the following ELISA Allergen Detection Kits are under development: Walnut, Cashew, Pecan, Clam, Soy isolates & concentrates.

2. There is a bit of info about allergen detection at the following sites:

- http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/al ... dex_e.html
(This page also seems to indicate that there is a way to test for 4 nuts simultaneously. I have no idea how accurate this test is.)

- http://origin.www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets ... %20FDA.ppt

3. Marilyn Allen of Anaphylaxis Canada is doing a lot of work with the food industry. I am hoping to have her come speak to our local (Ottawa) support group in the fall so that we can find out more. I think consumers have a lot to learn about the food industry (and vice-versa of course). Food manufacturing is a whole other world, from the little I've seen.... :shock:

4. The more I learn about this, the more I realize I don't know much. I think this would be a great article for Allergic Living: "Helping the Food Allergic Understand the Food Industry". Might end up being a book rather than an article though!! LOL.

K.

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:09 pm 
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KarenOASG wrote:
The more I learn about this, the more I realize I don't know much. I think this would be a great article for Allergic Living: "Helping the Food Allergic Understand the Food Industry".

I second that!


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:22 pm 
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I agree the article would be a great idea.

I was at A&P tonight and noticed some of their ice cream now has the peanut free (may contain traces of tree nuts) on the shelf now. I also saw another brand - Stoney Creek that has a peanut free symbol on the front and the statement reads Peanut free. May contain traces of treenuts.

Our DD is only PA as far as we know. We've only had her tested for 2 treenuts both of which were negative, but I still wouldn't buy a product that may contain treenuts.

Just thought I'd pass that on for anyone who is strictly PA.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:03 am 
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Stoney Creek is making the Dominion (Equality) ice-cream.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:22 pm 
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Does anyone have the e-mail address of Dominion (A & P)? I want to e-mail them my concerns too, regarding the tree nut labelling on their Equality Ice Cream. Thanks


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:45 pm 
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Pepper wrote:
Does anyone have the e-mail address of Dominion (A & P)? I want to e-mail them my concerns too, regarding the tree nut labelling on their Equality Ice Cream. Thanks


Pepper,

You can email them by filling in the form in this link:

http://www.freshobsessed.com/contactUs/ ... =contactUs

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:56 am 
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The question I want to raise is perhaps we should find out who the nut distributors are and see if they also process peanuts in their plants. I mean if you buy cashews from Planter's, I'm sure they're processed with peanuts. Peanuts and nuts are so often lumped together as one category of product that how can we be sure that the peanuts are nut free and the nuts are peanut free?

How can we be sure that companies check for that?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:54 pm 
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Nicole wrote:
Peanuts and nuts are so often lumped together as one category of product that how can we be sure that the peanuts are nut free and the nuts are peanut free?
How can we be sure that companies check for that?


I think in the case of the "Equality" brand icecream, we don't have to worry about peanut cross-contam. because (according to the rep. I spoke to -- and if she understood correctly) their manufacturer tests their raw materials and the finished product for peanut residue. Until the tests exist to test for each other tree nut, I think your only option is to call the manufacturer and trust your gut on the responses given to you. Personally, until a test can prove otherwise, I just assume all nuts/peanuts share processing and residues. Better safe than sorry.


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