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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:08 pm 
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Maple Leaf pure bulk sausage lists wheat crumbs as an ingredient. I am trying to determin if this is actualy bread crumbs and if so what is in the bread because if it is truly just wheat, we can probably eat it.
I have tried to communicate via e-mail with Maple Leaf but due to a technical glitch they were unable to respond. I called to 1-800 # as they requested and was told by a very nice young man that Maple Leaf compies with the Canadian label laws that require companies to state "may contains" on their packaging. :roll:
Last time I looked, we didn't have legislation to this effect but some companies do it voluntarily. I told him this much. After that he was a bit flustered, and I was a bit skeptical. He advised me that the product did not contain egg or mik and that it was safe to feed my family. Yeah, right.
Here is a copy of the e-mail that I just fired off to the CAnadian Food inspection Agency:
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To whom it may concern,

Recently I was looking at the label on a package of Maple Leaf pure bulk sausage. It lists "wheat crumbs" as an ingredient. I e-mailed the company to inquire as my daughter has life threatening allergies to egg and milk.
I received telephone communication and when I called back I was advised that the "wheat crumbs" are actually bread crumbs. When I asked what was in the bread, I was asked about our particular allergies and advised that the product did not contain any egg or milk.
I am not satisfied as I am not sure if the bread crumb ingredients are listed with the other ingredients or if they are covered by the blanket description of wheat crumb . Can you please tell me if ingredients are allowed to be listed as a product (wheat crumbs/bread crumbs) or if they need to be broken down into individual ingredients?

Why is it so hard to get basic information such as what is in the food we eat?
I am still waiting to hear back form Health Canad about who to contact about non-medicinal ingredients in medicine.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:02 am 
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Susan, that is a genuine concern! I hope you get an answer. I am also concerned for peanut/nut allergic people because what is the provenance of the bread? Is it from a bakery that also manufactures nut containing pastries?

I know it's probably a stretch, but still...

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12 year old - asthmatic, allergic to tree pollen and mold, OAS
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:21 am 
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I had also seen "bread crumbs" on shake-n-bake. I phoned and they were completely useless! Surely bread crumbs consists of wheat, yeast, oil?, milk?, eggs?. Definitely that term is way to vague.

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DD age 7 1/2 - milk, eggs, chicken, peanuts, treenuts, cats, dogs,
DS age 2 1/2
Husband- asthma, eggs, treenuts, fish, shellfish environmental
Self - penicillan, eurithromiacin, mild laytex allergy.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:07 pm 
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Here is the response I got:
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Please have a look at our Guide to Food Labelling and Advertising,
Chapter 2, Section 2.8.2 (copied below) found at this website:

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fss ... ab2e.shtml

This section also deals briefly with allergens and their
declarations when present in a food.

2.8.2 Component Declarations

Components (ingredients of ingredients) can be declared either:
In parentheses following the ingredient name in descending order of
proportion by weight in the ingredient; or
In descending order of proportion by weight in the finished food as if
they were ingredients, without listing the ingredient itself.

Many foods, when used as ingredients in other foods, are exempt from a
declaration of their components. (See Ingredients Exempt from Component
Declaration, Annex 2-3 of this Guide.)

Certain food preparations and mixtures, including flavours and
seasonings, when used as ingredients, are exempt from a declaration of most of
their components. (See Component Declarations, Annex 2-4(a) of this
Guide) The components which, if present, must be declared as if they were
ingredients include salt, monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed plant
protein, aspartame, potassium chloride and any components which perform a
function in, or have an effect on the final food, e.g., flavour enhancers.
(See Component Declarations, Annex 2-4 of this Guide, sections (b) and
©).)Currently, under the Food and Drug Regulations, all ingredients
added to a food directly must be declared on a food label. The components
of these ingredients, if they are multi-ingredient foods themselves,
must also be declared unless specifically exempted by section B.01.009 of
the same regulations. Bread, meeting the standard set out in the Food
and Drug Regulations, is exempt from component declarations, as per
item 10 of B.01.009. There are currently guidelines to industry which
encourage the voluntary declaration in the ingredient list of components
which are considered allergens if the ingredient which they are in is
currently exempted by the regulations.

Allergic reactions: To assist consumers in avoiding the potentially
serious consequences of allergic and sensitivity reactions to foods, the
CFIA urges the inclusion of the following foods or their derivatives in
food label ingredient lists when present as ingredients or components,
even in those cases where these ingredients are otherwise exempted from
declaration:
peanuts;
tree nuts (almonds, Brazil nuts, cashews, hazelnuts [filberts],
macadamia nuts, pecans, pinenuts, pistachios, walnuts);
sesame seeds;
milk;
eggs;
fish, crustaceans (e.g., crab, crayfish, lobster, shrimp) and shellfish
(e.g., clams, mussels, oysters, scallops);
soy;
wheat, and
sulphites.

In answering your question, "if ingredients are allowed to be
listed as a product or if they need to be broken down into individual
ingredients?" The manufacturer can do either one (declaration of individual
ingredient with component declaration in brackets following the
ingredient common name (please check there are exemptions for component
declaration as stated above see Annex 2-3 in the Guide: Ingredients Exempt
from Component Declaration) or the manufacturer may choose to declare
components in descending order of proportion by weight in the finished
food as if they were ingredients.

I encourage you to check our ( www.inspection.gc.ca) and Health
Canada's web-sites (www.hc-sc.gc.ca ) regularly to be advised of
recalls made because of undeclared allergens.
The Food and Drug Regulations are developed by Health Canada so
any initiative to change them in relation to declaration of allergens
would be carried out by that department.
I hope the above information has been some assistance to you.


Yours truly,

Nicole Senecal

Ontario Region Manufactured Food/Aliments manufacturés région d'Ontario
Food Labelling Line/Renseignements d'étiquettage des aliments: (416)
667-4698 or 1-800-667-2657
Email/Courriel: labelwindow@inspection.gc.ca


I replied that if they wished to use the bread exemption, then they should label the ingredient as "bread" crumbs and not as "wheat" crumbs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:20 am 
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Hi Susan -

It's definitely frustrating. My understanding is that with the current legislation, companies don't have to list the breakdown of ingredients for things like bread/wheat crumbs or margarine that are in other products. Which I guess is what the CFIA stuff is saying. It sucks, frankly.

When I see those kinds of ingredients on the packaging, I have to be honest, I'm lazier than you - I don't even call. I just assume the worst. I mean, what are the odds that it will be dairy-free/egg-free bread/crumbs, or dairy-free margarine?? :(

On the bright side, Aubrey's Meats in the Byward Market (Ottawa) make sausages that are dairy-free and egg-free and wheat-free, and they're really tasty. We've been getting them for years.

There is also another kind that is sold at Saslove's by County Meats that is supposed to be free of many common allergens, and another OASG member told me that they will make sausages to your personal tastes without milk or other ingredients. Let me know if you want the phone number to contact them. I didn't follow up beyond one phone call because we're happy with Aubrey's.

K.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:29 am 
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Yeah, I guess I have to chose my battles but I get frustrated when I see these things so ambiguously labeled. :roll:
My husband is toying with the idea of making his own sausages. I will tell him about Aubreys. Thanks.
I would not feel comfortable about the other place making a batch that was egg/milk-free, how can they clean the equipment so thoroughly?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:17 am 
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Will the new rules that will pass this summer not require manufacturers to declare hidden ingredients? All 10 major allergens will have to be declared.

Hopefully these regulations will take care of this ambiguous labelling.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:12 pm 
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Regarding sausage:
We have not been able to find ANY store bought sausage that is wheat/egg/milk free. But, we have had EXCELLENT success with local butchers. We have found a couple that make awesome sausage with nothing but meat and spices.. and my son has had no problems with them.
I would highly recommend a small-town butcher for sausage!

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spinach (hives)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:18 pm 
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Nicole wrote:
Will the new rules that will pass this summer not require manufacturers to declare hidden ingredients? All 10 major allergens will have to be declared.


I think that is true, Nicole. However, the powers that be have been saying that these regulations will be passed for the past 1.5 years, so I am not holding my breath... I know it will happen one day, but it has taken much much longer than expected.

K.

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- DS2 (1o yrs): ana. to dairy, eggs, peanuts; asthma


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